A Night at the Roxbury transcript
Season 2 · Episode 21. Generated automatically, so expect the odd misheard word.
Hello and welcome to the worst movie podcast. I'm Ade.
And I'm Aaron, and this is a podcast where we watch the worst movies ever made in the hopes of finding a hidden gem. Enjoy.
Doing great. It's a journey. Thank you. Well, welcome. We've got another special guest, Andrew. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, fellas. Excited to dig in and talk about this movie with you. Before you get into the movie, what what have you been watching lately, Andrew?
The last movie I saw in theaters was uh Teenage De Teenage Death and Sex at Camp Miasma. Uh have either of you seen that?
I have not, but it's it's on my list. I've I watched the trailer and it seems seems interesting. I can't quite put a finger on what the movie is, but yeah, did you like it? What's it about?
I did like it. I didn't really know what to expect. It's Hannah Einbinder and Jillian Anderson. I really did enjoy it quite a bit. It was a little maybe more lighthearted than I thought it was gonna be. It's it has like a certain pedigree. The director did another movie that was like really big, kind of like Sundance style. Um but it was very funny. It was fun. It has uh I don't know, have you seen uh have you both seen The Watchmen? Or maybe just Watchmen. Yeah, Watchmen was always like the movie with the best opening credits to me. Like I love that sequence, I think of that a lot. Teenage Sex and Death may have beat it. It's a really good opening credit sequence.
Really? Huh. I can remember The Watchmen. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, really? Oh man, they have the they have The Times They Are a Change Em by Bob Dylan playing, and they go through the old Watchmen. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a pretty good I mean it's a great opener for a movie, and I think uh this movie just has a very cool way of introducing the history of Camp Miasma and all that stuff.
It's good. It's it's like comedy horror, right? Is it much of a horror action?
But it's kind of more comedy that takes place in a horror world versus there wasn't that much that was scary, I would say.
Is it in the same vein as like Cabin in the Woods or Tucker and Dale or like those maybe a little more Tucker and Dale than Cabin in the Woods.
It's not that extreme, but uh Cabin in the Woods is is a pretty proper horror movie that just has other stuff going on. Yeah. Uh Teenage Sex and Death is pretty uh comedy focused.
Interesting. Okay. I don't know that I've seen Gillian Anderson in a comedy before. She good? Or in anything for a while. Yeah. I think she was doing stage stuff. I I've seen clips of her like in plays, but I haven't seen a movie or a show from her in a while. I don't even know what the last thing I've seen her in.
And if you haven't seen Hacks, which is what Hannah Einbinder really got famous for, that is worth a watch. Did you finish Hacks?
I dropped off after like season two or three.
It has a little bit of a lull or uh just a down point. Keep going a day. You gotta watch the rest of it. You'll be happy you did.
Now that I think about it, I know exactly what episode we dropped off on. It was when they got stuck in the woods at some hotel, uh, and felt like it just drug on and on. And Kelly and I were just like, I don't know. It was just like we lost the energy to watch the next episode after that, after that one for sure.
You'll be so happy you did if you pick it back up. Fine, fine. Uh what are you guys watching?
Uh I've been watching Golden Girls. Oh. Amanda's been watching it lately, and I've just been like wandering, you know, I'll walk by and like kind of stop and watch, and then find myself like watching two or three episodes in a row because they're it's good. I remember it as a kid and not getting any jokes. I didn't get any of the jokes before.
I should have known that Kelly mentioned that she came over and you're watching that. Do you want to tell the story? Should I? About her birthday? Yeah. Uh you can tell it.
Go ahead.
I mean, this is third hand, but apparently they were watching together and it was like a birthday episode. And she's like, Oh, that's kind of ironic that uh it's a birthday episode. And Aaron's like, why? And she's like, It's my birthday.
It's well established. I'm terrible at remembering birthdays. So uh well, that's a skill you can work on.
You only have you only have two siblings.
I don't even remember. If only there was some technology that could help you with this problem.
Probably make a million bucks.
I've never seen Golden Girls. I don't think I've seen a whole episode.
Really?
You should try it out. It's on Hulu. Yeah. Uh I watched it a lot when I was a kid, Aaron, and I don't know why. I didn't get it either.
I just it was just always on, it seemed like. It was. Yeah. There was so much TV we watched that just because it was on. Like I'm sure I didn't get a lot from Gilgan's Island or like, you know, I don't know, yeah. Matlock or uh stuff like that. Do I have to start at the beginning or can I like jump into a later season?
You can jump into anywhere you want. I don't think it's gonna matter.
No, Tel Aude, he really needs the context of all the seasons. You gotta find out how they all ended up together. It gets good in season four, but you have to watch the first hundred episodes before. That's true.
Uh TV is ruined in that way. Like you can't just jump in, jump in and out. You can't. Well, yeah, I think most like modern TV, it's not it's not like you can just skip an episode and it'll be fine.
More things are serialized for sure. Yeah. That could be.
Like you're not just gonna start watching House of Dragon from season three, episode four, and just be like, okay.
No. That's that's true. But like tires or something like that, like it's just an episodic.
Yeah. Even that's kind of yeah. Yeah. Okay. But they also don't make a hundred episodes a season anymore. So that's true. Uh my what I'm watching is a little bit boring. I finally watched the Odyssey on IMAX and at the uh State Museum. So I got a little bit nervous because they're apparently shutting down for remodeling and it wasn't clear whether it's gonna come back uh to to show there. And so I was like, I better just find some time to squeeze in there and so but it was it was amazing. Yeah, worth it. Uh they also apparently this was just special for the IMAX showings, but there were no trailers, they just showed a clip from Dune 3, and it was uh just jaw dropping. I was like, how do they it was this clip with like spaceships coming in to land and it's this battle scene and like clearly it's CG, but I mean it looked super real. It looked very gritty, and I don't know if it was like models or what, but it it looked it just looked real. I don't know. Uh and then the sound was incredible. It was this battle and these shots booming through the theater and rumbling and all that, and made me really excited for Dune 3.
It's been a long time since I've seen anything in a movie that's made me be like, wow, I don't even know how they did that. Odyssey is like that.
Did you see the Odyssey?
I haven't yet.
It's on my list.
I want to. I'm still holding out for IMAX as well.
Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, they're they're closing the theater September 13th. I I have to imagine that it's they're bringing it back, but I got nervous. But it's it's worth it. I mean, the Odyssey by comparison to do everything's practical and it's just amazing what they've done. Um like how they made that. I I need to watch some more stuff on like how it's made and um kind of the the background stuff. Definitely want to watch the extras on the on the Blu-ray wh whenever that comes out, but um just visually it's it's stunning.
Yeah, well those two directors are like the guys for practical, modern, big blockbusters.
Yeah. Would you say go see it at the State Museum or just go see it? I know I'm rolling the dice on this.
I I think see a real real IMAX. Uh I I didn't s I haven't seen it otherwise, so I can't really compare it. Um but you know, most IMAX movies it it switches between formats, so it's like you know, maybe just like 10 to 20 minutes is actually the full IMAX. Odyssey is a hundred percent you know shot on IMAX film camera, so it's it's that perspective the entire time. I was gonna say maybe I should see it like normal to compare, but I would just I would just go out of my way to see it on IMAX again if I was gonna see it a second time. So I don't know. I'm not the person to ask, I guess. It was cool. It lives up to the hype.
Speaking of living up to the hype.
Yes. Speaking of of uh visual masterpieces, uh decided to jump into a night of the roxbury from 1998. This will kick off our SNL month theme, which we've wanted to do for a while. So Night of the Roxberry, starring Will Farrell and Chris Catan and Molly Shannon, um, a bunch of other minor characters that I guess we'll get into. Rotten Tomatoes, 11%. Uh budget of 17 million, made 30 million in the box office. What are your guys' relationship with this movie, Andrew?
There was a brief period when I was 13 or 14, where if you asked me, I I may have said this was my favorite movie. Just it was probably like no, maybe about it. It was probably like three months where uh I just thought it was the funniest thing ever. I had a a close friend at the time, and he was like tall and dopey, and I'm kind of like short and fast talking. And so we like felt like we were the Roxberry brothers. Uh I owned the soundtrack on CD.
It's got a great soundtrack.
Yeah, I it does. This is jumping ahead, but I I did have as a note, this may be the best soundtrack of any of the movies we've covered on on the podcast.
Yeah. Uh it went gold. The soundtrack went gold in the US and platinum in Canada.
So I believe it.
Yeah. That's like the US dollars to uh to Canadian dollars. It's it sold the same amount. But yes, it's a Canadian platinum, which you know is a US gold. Still good. But yeah, I I loved it growing up uh for a short period of time. And I hadn't seen it since. I don't think I saw it since it you know came out on DVD or whatever.
I saw it in theaters when it came out. I don't really remember what I thought of it. I don't think that I was into the skit on SNL at the time. Uh like I don't really remember. I remember the skit, some of them, but uh yeah, I saw it in theaters. It didn't really make an impression on me, I don't think. But uh the only thing that I remembered from this movie from the first time I saw it is the Did You Touch My Ass bit? Yeah, which you brought that up recently. I know I was like, I'm pretty sure that this is the movie that it's from.
And it yeah, I was I was glad that it was you thought it was Al Pacino, I think, which the guy kind of had a bit of Al Pacino delivery. He did kind of, yeah. So I think I'm a little closer to you, Andrew, in that this was probably my favorite SNL skit. And I think by the time this movie came into theaters, like I was in college and and I remember seeing it in theaters, but I don't think I was as much into SNL at that point in time. SNL for me was more of like a high school, maybe part like middle school a little bit, but more high school. Uh I had a friend that we would act out the Roxbury stuff with too. And I don't know. Uh yeah, I just I just love that skit. So I don't know the answer to this question, but uh watching this now and thinking about this, you know, however many uh almost 30 years plus after like I was really into the skits. Why why do you think you were into it? Because I don't I don't think I had any context for what they're making fun of here. Like clearly we weren't part of the LA club scene, and even like the nose, like you weren't doing coke. Yeah, I probably didn't even at the time know that that was like parodying people like cokeheads. I didn't, yeah. Yeah, I was just like, oh, that's funny. They always like you know, sniff their no like touch their noses. Like, why do you think it resonated so much?
I don't know. In the sketch, they grind their teeth also. You they don't do it in the movie, but in the sketch, especially the first couple, they are really overemphasizing that they're grinding their teeth and doing the nose thing the whole time. Uh and yeah, I have no idea. I kind of wrote down the same thing, like why I don't know why I thought this was so funny. Uh, but I did like I I think I literally thought the sort of like no yes thing was funny. I thought they were cool. Like I thought they were just two cool guys that were kind of funny.
Yeah, I don't know that I've felt I felt like we were supposed to make fun of them and like laugh at them for they were kind of losers. Um I mean it's hard to put myself in that mindset from like 35 years ago, but right. I don't yeah, I yeah, I don't know. I don't understand. What were you gonna say, Aaron?
Oh, I said they're definitely losers. Yeah, yeah.
The other thing that might have helped it was you know, it was PG 13, but there's real nudity in this movie. Like there's I noticed that. Yeah.
Which is funny because I as a 10-year-old I saw it or 11 and I remembered the Did You Touch My Ass thing, but not the actual nudity in the movie. So I don't know. I don't know what I was.
Yeah, I was pretty psyched about a lot of that probably when I when I was 13 years old.
Yeah. Well, what did you two think of it watching it now?
I was so disappointed in it. I I went into it thinking I'm gonna really enjoy this. It's I mean, it's gonna be dumb fun. And I I was kind of bored the whole time, and I was I was like, where is the joke per minute ratio here? It's it did not strike me as very funny at all. Uh there are a couple little gems in there that I'm sure we'll talk about, but for the most part, I was right, I was bummed out. It was fun to listen to the soundtrack. Yeah. End of list.
That was my exact take on it. I didn't even have the history of liking this as a kid. I remember seeing it. And I remember doing the the bits from the skit as a kid, but I didn't love this movie coming into it or have a fond feeling, but I was excited because I was like, yeah, this was a big hit back in the day. I remember it was part of pop culture at the time. So I thought it would be funny, but I was like, there's no jokes in this movie. I don't know where the jokes are. It was just kind of boring and um not many likable characters, really. I don't know any likable characters. And uh Day's about to tell us that he loved it.
He's like, I liked it even better than before.
This is gonna be a rare uh uh podcast episode where Aaron doesn't think a movie's funny, but I'm like, yeah, I laughed out loud several times. Like, it's not a good movie, it's not like I would recommend it. And I think I had really low expectations going in because I couldn't remember why I found it funny. So I was like, there's no way I'm gonna find this funny now. But uh yeah, I I wrote down w what I laughed out when when I laughed out loud each time. So because I felt I'm excited to hear these. I felt like I would have to defend like watching it. I was like, I know I suspected that you guys wouldn't find it funny, so I was like, all right, I better do my diligence and to to be able to defend why I found it funny. Uh before we get into that, do you want to give a synopsis, Aaron?
Yeah. Uh Reluctantly. Yeah, it's it's two dim-witted brothers. They dream of owning their own dance club, uh, or at least getting into the coolest club in their town, which is the Roxberry. And that's that's the that's the driving force.
That's the synopsis. Yeah.
Yeah.
And to be honest, the plot kind of goes away. Yeah, the plot kind of like dissipates halfway through the movie. And there's a point where I'm like, I'm not really sure why they're they're fighting or like what what happened, uh, but it wasn't worth rewinding. Um I can do a little bit of background stuff. There isn't a ton on this, but um some spicy stuff. Did you read anything about Chris Catan and Lauren Michaels?
I did from his memoir.
Yeah. Yeah. So he published a memoir in 2019, and apparently Lauren Michaels was trying to get this movie made and was trying to get the woman who directed Clueless, Amy Heckerling, to direct this movie. Uh, and Chris Catan said Lauren Michaels pressured him to sleep with her. Uh, and she's come out saying that that's totally bullshit, and that they did have a relationship, but um, that didn't happen. So I don't know.
Erin and I both have yikes faces, just yeah, just so we're we're in the clear. We don't think that's good. Yeah.
Oh, we've already been canceled on the podcast.
Well, I'm new here, and so I just want everybody to know. He's still got a reputation that's pulled.
Yeah. Uh so anyway, I mean, who knows? Who knows what happened, but uh yeah, it's kind of interesting that there's for a movie like this that there are machinations behind the scenes trying to get it made.
But who wants it to be made that badly that Lauren Michaels?
Well, it was Amy Heckerlin's idea. She pitched it as a movie and tried to get it made. Yeah, and so there was that element, and then I according to Chris Catan, it was so that she would also direct. But I just I don't know how much I I take Chris Catan's word with a grain of salt. I don't know why. But who knows? Uh speaking, I did two truths and a lie for you guys, if you would like to from the from the background of the movie. Oh I don't know how much research you did. Uh do you want to I'll give you your three and then you tell me which one is live. Uh number one is uh Jim Carrey was supposed to play the character of Craig, the trainer, uh, but he he couldn't make it work because he was filming Man Man on the Moon at the time. Uh Will Farrell and Chris Catan had a falling out during production. They didn't speak for an extended period after the movie wrapped. And Will Farrell met his wife on set, and they are still married to this day.
I think I know the lie.
I have no idea, but I'm gonna guess that the lie is the Jim Carrey one.
That was that was my guess as well.
That is that is correct. Uh Jim Carrey was in the uh first sketch that really blew up. He was in like the second or third Roxbury sketch. Um and he punched up the script, apparently. Uh he did a little uncredited rewrite on the script.
I think he could have done a little more punching. Yeah, yeah. I did I did enjoy they mentioned him in the movie. Uh when they were in the Roxbury, they mentioned, oh, I gotta go say hi to Jim Carrey over there. Yeah. And then they also mentioned Anna Nicole later in it, and I'm like, they're just mentioning all these celebrities that they probably couldn't afford to get into that movie.
I thought it was interesting. The actual Rox Roxbury Club shut down um right before this movie came out out, like the year before. So they had to use fake exteriors. Um the Roxberry Club. Do you know what it is now today? It shut down, it became a Japanese restaurant, then it became a pink taco, a taco place, and then now it's a chiropractor. So it just um Yeah, it started out as a building. Yeah, same building. It started out it opened up in the nineteen forties as players club. So it was a place with like where Humphrey Bogart and like Charlie Chaplin and Howard Hughes and kind of people of that era hung out and um yeah, it's now.
Is it like a social club?
Yeah, I think it was I mean it was like the Roxbury, it was like a nightclub.
Oh. Like they had music and dancing and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay.
I think it seems like it was kind of like sort of studio 54 level club, right? It was a very well-regarded club.
I think in the 90s it was it's like the 90210 cast would hang out there and like River Phoenix and like the Richard Greco. Yeah, Richard Greeko. Uh who is who is in this? Um let's let's let's go through our notes. Um so uh what do you what do you guys think of the song? I mean we've talked talked a little bit about the soundtrack. For me, the song was like I had a Pavlovian response to it, I think. Um and maybe part of my enjoying this is we hear the song. Uh actually, do you want to guess how many different times we hear the song in the movie? Fifteen? Are you counting the elevator? Are you counting the elevator? Uh I'm counting the elevator scene. It's a music version. It's five different times we hear the song, which isn't like a ton, but it is a lot for a 90-minute movie.
I wonder if they had to pay every time they played it, too. Like do you have to pay for each use?
I feel like if who I I'm drawing a blank, who made the song again?
Uh Hadaway.
Yeah. I feel like they owe the Roxbury guys money. Like there's there's like probably the more they play it, the more they got like people buying the the soundtrack or the streams now these days.
It doesn't even wear on you. Like five times is a lot to play the same song in a movie. And every time I'm like, yeah. All right.
I mean, they knew it was their best asset. They start, it starts with the opening credits, and then yeah, we do get a music version of it, but the rest of it's.
You get it over the Paramount logo. The movie hasn't even really started yet before the song starts playing. Yeah. Yeah.
And we basically get the full song each time. Yeah. Um, what's your uh what's your clubbing experience, both of you? Have you ever stood in line for a club? Like that seems like a common trope where you like somebody gets stuck in line and has to like go talk to the bouncer. Have you ever done that? No.
I haven't either. No. Me neither.
Feels like it would be much more common, but I don't know.
When I was watching it, I was like, I don't I I've been into a club maybe twice in my life and like danced once. Uh so like this means the movie means nothing to me. I don't have any connection to the club scene. So I the whole time I was like, you guys, like, why did I like this skit? I don't get it.
Yeah, that really sucks when you have to wait out.
Yeah, we hate that. I think Chris Catan, like I like I really like Chris Catan when I was a kid too. Like Mango was one of my favorite characters on SNL. So I think I was just into Chris Catan.
Yeah. The scene, the first, I think it's the first line scene that they're in for a long time that has all the sort of bits. The thing where he's holding like a family size goldfish crackers while he's talking to them in the line. Yeah. I thought that was good. Was that one of your laugh list uh items on day?
No, I I don't well, I I started adding the list like probably 10-15 minutes in. Like so, I I don't remember if I laughed out loud at that, but I'll give you kind of the highlights um of me laughing out loud. I laughed at Chris Catan working in the store. So uh part of the storyline is their their parent their their dad owns a uh fake flower store. Um like Silk Flowers. Yeah. Um and Chris Catan's character, he's not really interested in doing it. And I I know it's stupid, but just like him like throwing, like loading the van and just like throwing stuff at the van.
I did laugh at that.
Yeah, and then and then his whole like pretending to swipe the credit card, his physicality is is great. I think that's part of what makes him funny for sure. Um I laughed when they were dancing at the Roxberry with the two girls, and um I again I'm just saying I laughed out loud. I'm not saying that this this is you know universally funny, but just that the whole pick setup of they would go and dance with or try to dance with girls and they'd they'd rebuff them, and then like I don't know, that whole sequence where the girls are actually like trying to hit on them back and they're like dancing with them and uh doing the same thing back at them, the aggressive dancing and all that stuff. I don't know I laughed out loud a couple times in that. Um I laughed at the scene where uh the so that these two girls basically mistake them for being rich, powerful guys and um so trying to seduce them. And I guess they're at a party, and Chris Catan's character, he's he's really only used to opening lines with a woman and so he doesn't know how to talk to them after that. And it's both him and Will Farrell uh clearly frightened of going any further with these women, and Chris Catan's just go in lines, and like Will Farrell's in the other room making ambulance sounds for whatever reason. I don't know. I laughed out loud at that. I yeah, I was it's dumb, but it it brought a smile to my face. Yeah. So you guys didn't laugh at all?
I I laughed at the the loading thing when they were throwing the flowers into the back of the van. Um I maybe chuckled at something. But yeah, I didn't really laugh like man, it was I mean, it was probably three or four chuckles or laughs through the whole thing. Like it was it was for a movie that I expected to be funny, uh there were not that many left.
Oh 10% of Ade's laugh list, so we can just sit back and let him read the rest of the 90%.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, there's another, I won't give you all of them, but there's another important one. I thought Molly Shannon was really good in this. Yeah. Um, there's and and there's a lot of subtle stuff. I think that all that all three of them do, but um, there's a scene where Will Farrell is working out and she's at the gym and trying to talk to him, and she like kind of squeezes through the wait machine to like come talk to. And I and I laughed out loud at that because yeah, I think it's just like a it's a small choice that she had to have made in terms of like how she gets there, but just chef's kiss. I thought she was great.
I I did have a thing in the when they were at the in the line at the beginning that I thought was funny. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the people who were behind them in line kept changing. And I'm like, so they're getting out of line because yeah, everyone's annoyed with them.
They're leaving. Yeah. They're so annoyed with these two guys. The load in the van stuff was very funny. The uh Colin Quinn was kind of funny in this. Uh, at least he had the line where uh he was like, from where I'm standing, that would be a physical impossibility. When he's talking about did you just grab my ass? and he's like across the room.
Yeah.
You got a little bit of that.
I didn't realize that was Colin Quinn until the end of the movie.
They were also stand when they were standing by the pool. They were standing by the pool eating like bowls of pasta at Mr. Zadir's like at his party. They were standing there, like almost touching the pool, just eating pasta, and they had the they had napkins tucked into their shirts with like just tons of pasta all over the napkins. Like that was funny. That was pretty good.
I don't know if you looked at the cast for this movie on IMDb. It did not age well uh with the character names. There are only two named female characters in this movie. Uh Molly Shannon's character and uh the mom, Monty Anderson. Uh everyone else is just like hot girl, Porsche girl, Hottie Cop, Roxbury Club Girl. Like they didn't even bother to write characters for women that had names, just too.
Do you think that was part of the joke?
I guess so. Oh, they will defend a night at the Roxberry till the day he dies.
Yeah.
Yeah. Uh I mean it Credit Vixen was sort of a main character, like the love interest of the whole movie. If there's one sort of romantic art, it's her and it's she was credit vixen.
She was she was number 238 or whatever. That was her name in the movie. Yeah.
I don't did we learn her real name? I no, I don't think so. No. She's she is called Credit Vixen in the credits.
Yeah.
I saw that too, Aaron. I was like, man, this is not a good, not a good list. Yeah. I did think it was funny that she was reading uh Hunter S. Thompson while she was doing her work at the credit card approval. Yeah. Uh book Hell's Angels.
Nice. Speaking of the cast though, it was funny to see some uh actresses that I didn't I certainly didn't remember be being in this. Jennifer Coolidge was Hottie Cop. Yeah. Um looked looked very different. Um shocked to see Eva Mendez just pop pop in out of nowhere at the wedding. Yeah. As as the uh maid of honor, it seemed like. Yep. I think I read that that was her first role. I would believe it. Yeah. She she looked very young.
She did. Um, who else? Michael Clark Duncan. Yeah. As the bouncer. That must have been early too, because he was credited as Michael Big Mike Duncan. Or Michael Big Mike.
Yeah. Yeah, Big Mike.
Yeah, it's interesting because it was like a bunch of young actors that I recognize now, and then clearly a lot of actors that probably adults at the time recognized, but I don't really know. Like I didn't really know who Lonnie Anderson was. I mean, d do you guys?
She was on something big. Maybe like a I think she was really famous. Um I think it was in that realm. Uh like a Nick at night type show.
WKRP in Cincinnati.
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.
Which is I've never seen that. So uh same. Uh and the dad as well, I think, was well known. And Hedaya. Yeah, he was a cheer. But a secondary usual suspects, too.
I feel like he understood the assignment. I think he brought energy to every every scene, which was a nice uh departure from the rest of the film.
Yeah.
They didn't write any jokes for him though. Like I felt like he could have he could've used a joke or two because he was just one like just mad gear all the time. Yeah.
And then probably my biggest question mark is like, what is the deal with Richard Greco? Like he I don't really know anything about I never watched 21 Jump Street, and he's he seems to play himself in a lot of stuff, like in the last 30 years. He was in Always Sunny, he was in 20, you know, the 21 Jump Street and 22 Jump Street, which I guess makes sense. But like was he super famous A-list for a while? I mean, before our times, I guess, but it seems like it, right? It does seem like it.
Okay.
And then like, why has he not been in anything since?
Like, why I wonder if he was like B-list, you know? I wonder if he was sort of it was funny to have him play himself recognizable enough, but not not somebody people took seriously. I don't know.
He was only in 18 episodes of 21 Jump Street.
How many of you were of how many do you know? Like approximately how many do you know? Hundreds.
And they had like 20-ish episodes a season, so maybe a hundred. A hundred or more? Yeah, and then he was on a show called Booker, which I think was playing the same character from 21 Jump Street, but that was only like 20 episodes. Yeah, Johnny Depp was on 82 episodes of 21 Jump Street. Oh wow, okay. So the joke about is Johnny Are you meeting Johnny Depp here? So probably a dig it.
So maybe that is the joke. It's like, yeah, he's just the He's a Buist. Yeah, he was like a secondary character on the show.
I wonder if it was Richard Greeko in this was sort of like Neil Patrick Harris and Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. He didn't really have a career at that time. You know, he was Doogie Hauser basically, and they bumped into him. And I wonder if it was just a funny person people remembered from their childhood. Yeah. Not us, obviously. None of us have any clue.
Other people. I feel like that was the appeal of Neil Patrick Harris when he had his little renaissance there. Like I thought it was like, oh yeah, the kid from Doogie Hauser, and that's kind of that was his in back into the industry, it seemed like. I think maybe Richard Greco was hoping for that. Well, this would break.
The Neil Patrick Harris thing, like Doogie Hauser was uh very you know smart, nerdy, like wholesome kid, and then he played against type in that. It was kind of like the Bob Saget in um what was that half movie where yeah, half baked where he never sucked dick for weed? Yeah, I remember watching that and be like, wow, Bob Saget's you know, swearing. Um He's the blue comedian.
Um that was a big surprise for us uh 90s kids.
A little traumatizing, if we're being honest. Yeah, I've never recovered.
Yeah, I I that makes a little bit more sense about Richard Greco because I felt like he didn't really um I guess show off any acting profits in in this movie. So he seemed a little wooden. Yeah, I don't know.
I liked that he gave advice at the end at the wedding.
He just kind of his advice was that they're not ready to get married, which is exactly what he just told his own dad. Like, uh Will Farrell is like, I'm not I'm not ready for this yet. And then Richard Greco comes up and he's like, he's not ready to be married. I'm like, we just heard him say that.
I don't know. Handful of dated references. There was a uh like some David Copperfield references. Did you like that, Andrew? That was that was their first date.
You know that I did. Up until last year. I liked that a lot. Less so these days.
Yeah, yeah. Donald Trump reference as well.
There was? Yeah, their dad was basically like, what are you out partying with Donald Trump? It was kind of uh because he was a you know, club like Playboy guy at the time, I guess.
He was bouncing around a little bit, but what what happened to Chris Catan too?
I feel like I haven't seen him in a lot of stuff lately and was like trying to look through his IMDB and I think that he broke his neck maybe on SNL or in a movie or something, and he got maybe hooked on some painkillers and derail derailed his career for a while, I think. And like I've seen some video of him recently, and he can't even turn his head anymore. Seems like he had kind of depressing. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for bringing that up, buddy. Doesn't seem like it's going super great. Let's edit that one out. If you're a physical comedian and you can't even turn your head anymore, it's probably putting a hurting on your career.
I did write down, I don't think that Chris Catan and Will Farrell have a lot of chemistry. I don't think they pair very well together. Um I definitely didn't buy them as brothers in this movie. They don't look anything alike.
Uh that's the whole that's their whole joke, their their meta joke inside the movie, where people keep asking if they're brothers, and they're like, us, no? Yeah, you know. Uh well, I think part of that may have been, I mean, to what uh what you said, that they didn't get along during the movie, or there was some sort of rift. What are the details of that? Do we know? I don't know. I I saw some reference to that being because of the whole uh thing with the director and Lauren Michaels, but so that was being said at the time.
The the ch that he was supposed to sleep with the director?
No, he just he he talked about in his memoir, which came out in what did I say, 2018, 2019, something like that. And but it sounds like that that friction was obviously happening at the time, and it the thing I read alluded to Will Farrell was Luton, and like somehow that caused the rift between Farrell and Catan. But this is like really shitty internet research. So like I don't know. We should hear say from third. Allegedly uh asterisk, you know, all that stuff. Like I so I don't really know what happened.
Uh his memoir was called Baby Don't Hurt Me, by the way, which really ties this whole conversation together. Yeah.
That's really peaked in high school energy, right there. Yes. Yeah.
I also laughed at the You Had Me at Hello scene. I crammed. It was basically uh you know uh line by line recreation of Jerry Maguire.
Yeah, they spoofed a couple movies.
Yeah. The when when Craig the trainer and Chris Catan were out, uh I actually I will say I enjoyed Chris Catan's like crash out maybe the most, where he was just depressed the whole time. He still comps out and goes across to the guest room. Yeah, he goes to the pool house or whatever. Uh but his when he does the fake voicemail and then he goes beep. Uh I thought that was good.
But when he liked the part of pizza sauce on the phone while he was talking.
Just how do you depict that he's living in squalor just beside himself with grief? Uh when he and the trainer go clubbing, and the the trainer is like pumped the whole time. You know, he's so pumped to be there, and Chris Catan's miserable. But his the trainer's thing where he said, uh, thanks for bringing me out, I owe you big time, and he pulls out like a big time power bar or something like that.
I liked that the wedding when it got called off and the trainer just stepped in to marry her, like he was the next man up. And she was just like, fine, uh, I'll go with it. Molly Shannon deserved better than than Will Farrell's character anyway.
Yeah, she did. My my hot take was that she was actually good for him. She like she ended up being a villain, but like, and maybe that's not that hot of a take, but it was like, yeah, actually, she She was just trying to get his life together. Yeah, she was whipping it into shape. Like I it wasn't really clear what his like what what was the friction? He just wanted to continue to go out clubbing every night. We were supposed to root for him.
Yeah, they didn't really explain that. Amanda was like, Are we supposed to like these characters? Also, there was some point in the movie where it seemed like it was a it was like a false ending where it was like, okay, this is about to wrap up and then it went on for like another 20 or 30 minutes. And Amanda was like, Oh my god, is this movie a million seconds long?
No, it was uh it was it was pretty short. It was 82 minutes.
Felt like 140.
I mean, that that was part of what I I liked about it, that it wasn't like super long. Like I felt like it was a quick watch, so I don't know. I did watch it in two different parts across two different nights, so maybe that it didn't feel as long to me.
I do like the concept of an inside outside club where the outside looks like the inside and the inside looks like the outside. I thought that was a good idea.
So so dumb. Uh, do you want to defend the idea? I don't need to. It was obviously a success. It speaks for itself. That's right. Uh-huh. Mr.
Zedir thought it was amazing.
So I did ride down how long before that club goes out of business. Like it's uh well, with those two.
Running it like maybe a night.
Yeah.
How do you start a club and then have two business partners involved in it that don't even know they're involved in running the club until all the employees know their names?
They yeah.
Yeah.
Uh and they've well established that these two characters can't even get into a club, but they have this concept for a club that's and are gonna run it successfully. Yeah. Yeah. If the real Roxberry couldn't even last long enough for this movie to come out, then I'm guessing the inside outside club is dead in the water.
And the real Roxberry had the added um benefit of being part of a really popular SNL skit for a few years and it still went under. Yeah, I guess.
I mean What if that's what tanked it? What if because it was represented in that way, people are like, no, it's too cheesy. Yeah, I'm not gonna go there anymore. Everybody started showing up dressed as those two guys.
Yeah, uh that is a really good question because I mean I guess we've established that us as like 13-year-olds and I don't know how old I was, like 16, 17. Like it's all kids who can't get into the club that think this skit is awesome, but maybe like 22-year-olds are like we're really feeling it. They're making fun of us, so we shouldn't go to the Roxbury anymore.
Can't go to it anymore, yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Hmm.
That probably is what tanked it. Yeah. RIP.
The uh I did like the whole sort of unite the two families pressure. Like we have to make this combination, plant lamp store. Yeah.
It felt very like mafia, like 100%.
Yeah. Join in the families. It didn't seem like their parents were that old. I guess I didn't get why they were just so eager to hand the business off to the kids so quickly. I'm hanging in there for a while if I was I was a parent. You want to work? Well, I guess I would have to understand the economics of the situation. How much are they kicking up to the retirement?
It seems like they built an empire on silk flowers because they're doing all right. Is it an empire if you have one store? I don't know.
Their house was huge, they had a pool house.
Yeah, that's true.
They got a new chin every year. I mean, that's uh Bonnie Anderson's new chin. Fair enough. The store wasn't that big. I don't understand. In LA, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. And there were hardly any customers.
Even when they had customers in the store, it was like two or three. I'm starting to think this movie might not be real.
We touched on it, but I it is w wild how hard they tried to push the PG-13 rating in this movie. Yeah. They had like a totally unnecessary fuck in the movie as well. I don't remember it.
What part was that?
When they're talking about Joni loves Chachi, do you remember that? And I mean the one of the like girls that were trying to get uh that were trying to date them because they thought they were rich, uh, just threw it in while they were riding around in the in the limo.
Yeah.
It did seem out of place. Yeah, I don't remember that. That's funny. For an SNL movie and PG 13 and a bunch of 13-year-olds watch it, yeah. It was it's like they wanted to.
I mean the boobs seemed out of place too. Like the nudity seemed there was just one woman that there that was naked. I didn't see anyone else. Yeah. At the pool party. Aaron's like, I looked. It was just one for like 30 minutes.
I guess I don't really understand what the boundaries are for the PG-13 and R stuff because um, and I think I should know this, like, has it changed? Because I feel like there was stuff from the 80s that was like PG and you'd see nudity. Yeah. Um that changed in the 90s, and then what are the boundaries today?
I think they've added more. Like it was G and PG, and maybe that was it. And then I think PG 13 got added, and so I think they've added higher ratings uh as time goes on. But I think it does change. I think with PG 13, you get one fuck in the movie. I think more than that. Use it wisely. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, might as well use it, I guess, if you if it's just a freebie. If I'm remembering right, I think Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was a movie that caused PG-13 to happen.
Yeah. I believe that's right. Because I those were I think they were all PG. Yes.
Yeah. It was PG, and then I mean it would jump to R, but it's not that movie fucked me up as a kid.
Understanding. That was easily my least favorite, Indiana Jones. Yeah. The monkey brains. Yeah, I didn't like it at all. Eating bugs. Oh, the whole bug scene in the yeah. No. I hate that movie. That's my easily my least favorite of the original.
It's the worst one. I don't like I didn't like short round. I didn't like the um the female Kate Catshaw. Yeah. That was Spielberg's wife. Was it? That that adds up, I guess. Yeah. What was her like Marley or something along those lines? Mary Ann? Uh I think it might have been Marley. But she was from just obnoxious? Willie. Willie. Yeah, she was obnoxious the whole time.
I agree. Not a fan of that one. Well, Andrew, what's your all pick for uh Roxberry?
I think uh uh the movie Go came out shortly after Roxbury. And if Roxberry is the sort of rich people club in drug scene movie, Go is the working class dirtbag drug movie. Yeah. It also is a Beverly, it's like also a Los Angeles movie. It's really good. I had kind of forgotten about it and re-watched it this week because I that was one of the like possible alts for me. And it holds up. It's a good movie.
I actually just re-watched that uh in March of this year. Um this may have been an all pick for me on the uh Hitman episode because it has Timothy Oliphant in this as a drug dealer. I have to do that.
Yeah, Katie Holmes and Timothy Alm uh Oliphant and a couple other Tay Diggs is in it. Yeah. Oh, I like Tay Diggs. Jay Moore. Yeah, Jay Moore. And who's the kind of the lead female that isn't Katie Holmes? She's in the Polly's. Yeah, she's good. Yeah, she's good in this.
I I see that it's by the same director as Swingers, and the the poster is almost is exactly the same as Swingers, too. It's cool.
Uh yeah, I'm gonna have to watch this. Yeah, it's good. Doug Lyman is uh he did Mr. and Mrs. Smith, he did Born Identity, a lot of stuff. Nice. What's your all pick, Aaron?
I picked Zoolander uh for the beautiful idiots. Uh yeah, I don't know. It just kind of felt similar, like laughing at the dumb, the dumb characters. It was uh it was hard to find something similar to this, I feel like. Uh this was a five-star bad movie.
Yeah.
Did you know that he just forgot his line there? And so he just really that was improv? Supposedly, yeah.
That's one of my all all-time favorite funniest lines.
Yeah, so David DeCovney now it was uh improved on his part. That's yeah.
Uh were were you starting to say that this is uh Roxbury is a five-star bad movie?
Oh yeah. Yeah, it's up there.
Okay. Uh I'm still a little confused about what uh that means, but yeah, we can just a five-star bad movie.
Oh, wait, no, it's a one-star bad movie. All right, yeah. It's a one-star bad movie. You don't even know you're on scale. I know. It changes.
No, I thought you said f five stars was really bad.
I thought five star, I liked it. If it's a five-star bad movie, I can't remember anymore.
Speaking as a former listener, first-time guest, I I believe that five stars, you like it. It's it's bad and you like it. And that yeah, this is one star would be bad and I don't like it. How we both feel in a day feels the opposite.
So you're saying I don't know that this is a on that on that the way you've described it, I don't know that I'd give it five stars. I'd probably say it's like uh a three or four. Well, yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't like using your scale. What if what did I give it on Letterboxd? I think I gave it uh three stars just out of my this is how much I like it. Maybe generous. Maybe it should maybe it should be two and a half. Uh yeah, I might I might bump that down to two and a half.
I think you had a few people stop following you on Letterbox after that.
This guy has no credibility.
I'll I'll own it. I'll drink again. I I again I laughed out loud several times, so I think that's worth a three star. Um but you're saying, Aaron, that you don't like at one star, there's no there are no zero stars or half stars. So you like this.
I don't do half stars or zero stars.
Okay, so you hate this as much as you hate any like the worst movies we've done on this podcast.
Like the vanilla ice, yeah. It's this is a similar levels of like boredom and like Wow. Yeah. That's pretty strong.
The the um Pooh Bear horror movie, like the Madonna movie, you're like between Ah, geez.
Yeah, I I'd say it's it's comparable. Like the Madonna movie was not a comedy, so yeah. Uh like that hurts it, I think. I did laugh at a couple things in this, but yeah, it was mostly boring and there's no plot.
Okay.
The main characters didn't even like each other in in real life or in the movie, it seemed like.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I could see that. I that no that you love it. We don't like it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I understand. I I I stand by I uh I don't know, love strong award, but you know, it's a three-star movie for me, three out of five. I laughed out loud. I like it. I understand you saying it's a dud and it wasn't shockingly bad. I can't understand you saying this is as bad as the Madonna movie or the the Winnie the Pooh movie. Like, those are just like, how did this get me?
This is just terrible, all around like uh I know, but even those movies I think are helped by being so bad that there's you're like, wow, I've watched something.
This is like I wasted my time. Sure. I there's a difference between like there are movies we've watched. I'm like, I'm I'm in pain watching this. Like, I just can't bear it, versus being like, I'm bored.
This to me is similar to um whatever that Danny DeVito Christmas movie where he wanted his house seen in space with the Christmas lights. What was that movie? Deck the halls. Yeah, deck the halls. Yeah. This is like that where it was like, I didn't laugh at all. Like it was just so forgettable. You really hated that movie. Uh yeah. Another one star bad movie.
Well, my alt pick is a movie called We Own the Night. Have you seen that movie? It stars Walking Phoenix and Mark Wahlberg and Eva Mendez. I have. Uh really great movie. I just I rewatched it um earlier this year. I think basically Walking Phoenix runs a club. So uh tied in a lot of it is uh is set in this uh nightclub. Um and then Eva Mendez is incredible in it, so shout out to her. He runs this club, and then he's brothers with Mark Wahlberg's character, who's a cop. His dad and his brother are a cop, and they're starting to investigate the club.
I can't believe you found another club brother movie with Eva Mendez. I'm impressed. That is a Yahtzee.
Yeah, I impressed myself, and it's like I was driving one morning, I was like, holy shit, we own the night. That's perfect.
I was gonna do Last Days of Disco with Chloe Signey. I don't know if you all remember that movie. I haven't I don't remember enough of it to to make it my alt pick, but it was definitely it did take place in Studio 54, and it was like a sort of critically acclaimed talkie movie, but I remember thinking it was good when I was a pretentious college student. So same year as Night at the Roxbury too. 1998. Two views.
I'm probably gonna watch it and and see if I was right to you can you can come back and revise your old pick retroactively.
Kelly and I were just talking about our love for disco and your love for disco, A.
My love for disco. I do love disco. Yeah.
I do too. Because we were talking about when you were uh we were talking about the decade with the best music and how it was the 70s, eighties, and you said 70s because of disco. Or she said 70s.
Yeah. Yeah, we're debating between the sixties or the seventies which one had better music. That's tough.
I agree with you. I think disco. I'd go 70s, but I don't know if it's because of disco. Like that's maybe in the mix, but that's not the headline of that. Yeah. What w what would tip you towards the 70s? I think classic rock in the 70s was really strong. I think punk was just getting going in the 70s. Sort of all music was was best in the 70s. A lot of pop was really good in the 70s too.
So I forget the crux of the discussion, but I I'm not a classic rock. Never was a classic rock listener. Not not a lover. Not a lover of classic rock. I'm uh uh surprisingly ignorant of a lot of classic rock, uh, I guess. Um and so I was I was thinking about Motown and like soul music and stuff like that from the 60s, and trying to think like how much of that bled into the 70s, and so if you take classic rock out of it, that was I think my dilemma. I don't think you can take classic rock out of the 70s, though. I'm just saying we uh I mean different people listen to different music in the deck in the different decades. That's not like well, we should uh we should move on now, putting Roxbury to bed. Umce and for all. No, I'll I'm gonna bring this movie up every other episode now that it's one of my favorites again. I'm gonna make it my alt pick.
It's a it's a one of his top four on Letterboxd right now. It's crazy.
I should have uh yeah, I should have changed that for this recording.
Make your profile private for a while.
Uh well, thanks for uh joining us, Andrew. Um anything you have to promote or you want to tell our listeners about?
Uh thanks for having me. Uh I would say if I can promote something that is both uh time sensitive and local, uh I'm doing uh I duh I'm doing a show uh at the White Rabbit on September 15th. Uh that's a storytelling show. It the topic is local lore, so it's gonna be a bunch of good stories about Indianapolis and people's hometowns. And it White Rabbit uh do tell storytelling is the monthly show. It's kind of like the moth. And it is a good time every time. So if you don't make it to that one, come on out because it's fun.
September 15th. Uh what what time did you say? I want to say 8 p.m. 8 p.m. is what I remember as well. So is there a line with a bouncer? Should we bring goldfish?
Yeah, we're gonna make sure that everybody has to uh, you know, uh wait the proper amount we've got to make sure the good people get in first. Buy your tickets now, or else you might be uh listening to somebody describe Emilio Estevez encounters.
Emilio.
What about the joke with the I think it was one of the best executed of the joke of like say hello to my friend Mr. Grant and Mr. Lincoln, where they kept trying to bribe you watching and Mr.
Roosevelt putting like dimes in. Yeah. Turning the clipboard over and patting the back of it really really just dropping off the change on the floor.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought it was well executed. I think I laughed aloud at that one too. So we know you thought that.
Yeah. Well, uh check the show notes for Audate's full list of laugh out loud moments.
Uh I'll be recreating uh every joke. Um, yes, come out and see Andrew at uh the white rabbit. I'll be there for sure. Um if you have any thoughts or questions or comments, hit us up at the worst movie podcasts at gmail.com. I'm Ade.
I'm Aaron. Thanks for listening to the worst movie podcast.