Jack and Jill transcript

Season 1 · Episode 14. Generated automatically, so expect the odd misheard word.

· Ade

Hello and welcome to the worst movie podcast. I'm Ade.

· Aaron

And I'm Aaron, and this is a podcast where we watch the worst movies ever made in the hopes of finding a hidden gem. And this week, both of our parts will be played by Adam Sandler.

· Ade

Enjoy.

· Aaron

Is there anything else you've been watching lately?

· Ade

Yeah, I just finished season five of Slow Horses. Have you watched Slow Horses at all?

· Aaron

I've never even heard of it. What is this?

· Ade

You've definitely heard of it. feel like we've talked about

it before. It's a British spy thriller starring Gary Oldman and on Apple TV.

· Aaron

No, we've never talked about this.

· Ade

anyway, you should, it's based. Yeah, it's, it's basically follows this group of spies that are part of MI6 and they're kind of castaways. They're, basically people within the agency that have screwed up at some point

· Aaron

Spy?

· Ade

Essentially MI6 doesn't want to fire them or can't fire them. And so they put them in this like, what's, what's the opposite of an elite unit? It's like the bottom.

· Aaron

⁓

The remedial unit.

· Ade

Yeah,

it's a bunch of misfits and Gary Oldman plays the leader of this group of misfits and

· Aaron

What era is it set in? Like modern?

· Ade

It's modern

times. Yeah. And they stop terrorist attacks and spoiler alert. They, you know, they do hear heroic things, but never really quite get the credit, but it's kind of sometimes accidental. It's, it's really funny. It's not, it's not a comedy per se, but, it's more of a drama, but it's really easy watch. mean, it's like 30 minute episodes and you could

· Aaron

they find the eliteness within themselves.

· Ade

You could probably binge watch it in a week. Knowing you have confidence.

· Aaron

That would require me to get Apple TV though.

· Ade

⁓ yeah, well, it's worth it. Maybe you can do a free trial.

· Aaron

And I ⁓

have a weeks long standing beef with Apple now, since I've heard about the iPhone pocket. That they allowed this to happen on their watch.

· Ade

What's your beef just that they launched it

I'm sure Tim Cook is eagerly listening to this podcast, trying to think of ways that he can appease your rage.

· Aaron

Surely he's gotten some of my letters by now.

· Ade

Yeah, I'm sure. should we dig into today's movie? So this, yes, Jack and Jill from 2011. We're in a new month and this month is horrible holidays. So happy holidays. We're going to watch some of the worst holiday movies ever made. So Jack and Jill starring Adam Sandler in the two lead parts and

· Aaron

Sure. Jack and Jill.

· Ade

co-starring Al Pacino and Katie Holmes. I found this streaming on Pluto TV for free.

3 % Rotten Tomatoes. It had a $79 million budget, which by the way, what do you think they spend that money on? Like that's a lot of money for this movie.

· Aaron

think cameos maybe.

· Ade

probably Adam's salary.

· Aaron

Yeah, probably.

· Ade

You think he got double for playing two parts? He's like, I'm working twice as hard on this movie. So pay me more. Uh, so $79 million budget and it made 149 million at the box office. We'll talk a little bit more about kind of the business model around the Sandler era, but, uh, clearly doing well. So had you heard about this movie before?

· Aaron

I don't know, I do kind of wonder about that.

Yes.

I knew it existed. remember when it came out, but I think this was at least for me. And I, I wonder if, society as a whole was kind of growing tired of Adam Sandler at this time. but I was definitely like, not that interested in, in going to see the latest Sandler movie when it came out. So I've never seen it.

· Ade

Yeah.

He

Yeah, I'd never seen it either. It wasn't on my radar. I feel like I vaguely knew what it was about, but if you quizzed me about what Oscar winning actor co-starred in this, it probably would have, I don't think I would have gotten to Al Pacito in 10 guesses. Yeah. It was even a, it was even a surprise to me as I was watching it. They mentioned him.

· Aaron

You

Me either. That was a surprise for me. Did you s-

· Ade

early in the movie and I'm like, ⁓ maybe he'll just get a cameo. Yeah. The more he was in it, the more I was like, really? But I'm sure we'll get to that more.

· Aaron

He's a big part of it.

Did you see what he said about this movie?

· Ade

Yes. Well, I saw something he said about this movie. What did you see?

· Aaron

He said that it came at a time in my life that I needed it because it was after I found out I had no more money. My account was in prison and I needed something quickly so I took it.

· Ade

Yeah, I saw that quote.

That explained a lot for me about why he was in this.

· Aaron

Yeah.

· Ade

yeah. So a little bit about this era of Sandler. So he had done a multi picture movie deal with Sony and basically they just figured out that, I mean, he's, he was such a bankable star during this era that they had a strategy of making family friendly, like quick, easy, relatively cheap.

comedies and borrowed a lot of the same plots and themes and just kind of slapped them together. Sandler was even quoted as saying that he mostly picked the the movies and the I guess production schedule, designing it around places his family wanted to visit and locations where him and his friends could hang out.

and have easy, fun shooting schedules.

· Aaron

Yeah, the man's a genius. ⁓ Good for him.

· Ade

Yeah, I mean, it worked like really well. I mean, this movie's

movie's a good example where they go on a cruise. It really has nothing to do with the plot. Like, clearly they just wanted to spend time on this cruise and then part of it shot. Do you think it was on location in Spain?

· Aaron

Yeah.

I think it was.

· Ade

I mean, again, no reason why it had to have been in Spain. could easily this the whole thing could have just been taking place around L.A.

· Aaron

Yeah, there's this whole plot line where they're going on a cruise and he's trying to set his sister Jill up with Al Pacino and it completely felt tacked on. It was so unnecessary that it was on a cruise in Spain.

· Ade

Yeah. great business model. this movie actually kind of started the end of that chapter, I think, like basically, bunch of movies before this followed that formula of, you know, exotic locations, vacation movies, essentially. and then this was the first one where it was just like, it did well at the box office, but then

it was reviewed so poorly that the movies after this kind of started to fail at the box office. and after a few years he switched to, he signed a big deal with Netflix and Netflix was basically like, this formula works. We don't care about box office success. and so he continued that route at Netflix, but this movie, broke

· Aaron

Yeah.

· Ade

all sorts of records at the Razzies. There are 10 categories at the Razzies. It was nominated for 12 Razzies. And yeah, in all 10 categories, it became the first movie to sweep the Razzies, winning in every single category.

· Aaron

in all 10 categories.

I think that this all says much more about the Adam Sandler fatigue of the time than it does about the movie itself.

· Ade

And that was.

Well, we'll get into that. what did you think about this movie? Did you think it deserved the Razzies?

· Aaron

No, not at all. I.

· Ade

You're wrong. Let's end

the episode right now.

· Aaron

I laughed out loud so much at this movie. Yes. No, I'm completely serious. I don't think that this is a good movie. So I watched this with my brother, John, and his quote was, it's not cinema, but it has its moments. Where it's a dumb movie. It's really dumb. It's, but if...

· Ade

Are you serious? You're trolling me.

Ha ha ha.

· Aaron

If Adam Sandler is, you know, in your wheelhouse for sense of humor, you're going to like this parts of this movie. There are parts that are actually really funny. I almost cried at the end from laughing.

· Ade

What? Okay, we could not be further apart. I don't think I laughed once. I don't even know that I smiled to be honest. Like I'd have to, maybe as we go through my notes, there's maybe, there were a couple times that I was like, hmm, that's a clever, no, that's even overstating. Clever is too strong a word.

· Aaron

You

Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha.

· Ade

they're, they're the, the only thing that I thought was kind of funny, I didn't chuckle, was when the twins describe themselves as womb mates.

as a pun for roommates and I like, I internally chuckled, but that's as far as I'll go.

· Aaron

I hated that actually.

They're, I don't know. I thought it was hilarious. I thought that the homeless guy at the beginning was really funny.

· Ade

Oh my gosh. Why don't you give the premise of the movie and then we can kind of go through it blow by blow. Maybe you can convince me that some things are funny.

· Aaron

Okay. so Adam Sandler plays both characters, Jack and Jill. They're twins. Jack is Jack Saddlestein, I think is how it was. I don't remember. he's an advertising executive in LA. Jill is his sister who I think still lives in, the Bronx.

She comes into town into LA for the holidays, Thanksgiving, kind of just refuses to leave. And she is like well-meaning, but chaos and completely disrupts Jack's life during the holidays, during which he is trying to sign Al Pacino to do a Dunkin' Donuts commercial. And Al Pacino falls in love with Jill, his sister.

· Ade

Yeah.

· Aaron

Also, Adam Sandler.

· Ade

So, okay, I guess let's talk about the premise. I mean, I guess for...

· Aaron

Flawless.

I have no notes.

· Ade

I mean, the,

the, the story premise is fine. Like, I mean, it seems like you could go any sort of directions and create comedy gold out of, you know, weird sibling, comes in and ruins Thanksgiving. I guess I felt like the. Setup of the movie was, Hey, Adam Sandler is going to.

play the part of a woman and he's going to wear dress the whole time and put on makeup and boy isn't that funny and I felt like they kind of stopped there and maybe for me I was like well we kind of need more and so much of it just played like haha look look how ugly Adam Sandler is as a woman no I mean I'm clearly we're on opposite sides of this

· Aaron

Yeah.

Ha

There were...

Yeah, I do. So I do think that there was some of playing to like, look at how muscular this woman is or whatever. Like there were some jokes about the appearance of Adam Sandler as a woman, but I don't think that that was all of, like most of the parts I laughed at weren't jokes about Adam Sandler's physique as a woman.

· Ade

feel like most of the jokes tried to use that as a foundation. And Adam Sandler isn't really that muscular of a guy or, and I mean, yes, he, he was a unattractive woman, but it's not like, I mean, if you got like the rock playing his twin sister, you'd be like, wow, why is his twin sister so jacked? And you could probably make more humorous things or I don't know, like

· Aaron

No.

You

Yeah.

· Ade

I don't know Willem Dafoe is a woman like I don't know. I'm trying to think of who would be the ugliest actor to see as a woman. Al Pacino is a woman would be far less attractive than Adam Sandler is a woman. I don't know. It just didn't it just didn't play at all for me.

· Aaron

think this was during the clumps period where they were trying to have actors play multiple roles and they were just like, I don't know, make it a twin sister.

· Ade

I mean, part of what I was looking back at like some other movies and thinking, you know, was this just a thing for a long time of like, haha, look at man in a dress and that's enough for humor and maybe. Yeah. But, but I think most of the good ones had other things with it, like Mrs. Doubtfire and.

· Aaron

White chicks.

Did it.

· Ade

nutty professor and I don't know, stuff like that.

· Aaron

I think you're just glossing

over the fact that Al Pacino handed in an incredible performance in this movie. He was by far the best part of this movie.

· Ade

Ha ha ha.

okay. I mean, let's spend some time talking about Al Pacino. I think he did okay for just terrible material. I guess the whole time he was on screen, I was like, why are you on screen? I mean, maybe it would have, maybe it would have helped if I read that quote before I watched the movie and be like, okay, Al Pacino was broke. So he did this for the paycheck and he was just like, I'm Al Pacino. So I'm going to take it to 11, but

· Aaron

Get out of here.

You

I did know that

going in, maybe that colored my perspective of it.

· Ade

but I didn't understand his storyline at all. So the whole thing, like you said, he's fallen in love with Jill because she's also from the Bronx. I mean, I haven't looked this up, but there are millions of women from the Bronx. Like,

· Aaron

She's from the Bronx. Yeah, so.

I know, one of my notes

was like, is his entire interest in her that she's from the Bronx.

· Ade

I mean, that's what it seems like. There was no chemistry. was no, she's not into him at all.

· Aaron

But

he wasn't into her for her. He was into her for what she would bring out of him. And he needed that like Bronx personality because he was trying to get into this other role that he had been offered. And he needed to like bring out a part of himself. And he felt like she could do that for

· Ade

I

mean, I didn't get that at all. Like he mentioned, he turned down the part. What any, he mentioned something at the beginning about turning down man of La Mancha. that, is that the name of the play? Do you know anything about that play? I have no idea what, what is the Venn diagram of people who are into her watching Jack and Jill and understand the nuances of what you need to, bring out to lead.

· Aaron

He talked about it at the end.

⁓ Yeah, not really. mean, I know basically what he explained in it.

Hahaha.

· Ade

to play the lead in Man of the Macha.

· Aaron

I don't know, it's probably pretty slim.

· Ade

Yeah, I had no idea why he was into Jill. I mean, I don't know. I mean, even in the movie, Jill's like, or Jack, I guess says, well, actually, it was Jack playing Jill was like, you could have any woman you want, like, why me? And I was just like, yeah, the movie is self aware that this doesn't even make sense.

· Aaron

You

Yeah.

I mean, I think that the movie was self-aware the whole time, and that's what made it funny to me, especially like the ending. The ending was extremely self-aware that it was like, this is stupid.

· Ade

I you're right. But because I think the most self, the, the part I appreciated the most was the very end when Al Pacino is watching the Dunkachino commercial and he says, burn this all copies must be destroyed. Nobody can ever watch this. And I was like, yes, they should have done that with this film. It was so terrible.

· Aaron

You

Burn this.

Yeah

I laughed. I

laughed so hard at that part that I was nearly in tears because it was so true. The whole time I was watching it, I was like, Oh my God, this is so bad. And they're going to leave this in the movie. And then it cuts to him and his first words are burn this like it knows it's stupid.

· Ade

I mean.

I mean

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

· Aaron

I have

eight things written down where I laughed out loud during this movie.

· Ade

All right, let's go through them one by one.

· Aaron

I laughed out loud at his kid punching Jill in the face at Thanksgiving dinner.

· Ade

What was the deal with that kid? Like, well, why was he taping? He said the kids just randomly taping stuff to his body.

· Aaron

Yeah, I don't know.

· Ade

And did you laugh at that? I was just like, why, what is happening here? Like that could have been funny. ⁓ and then the kid also, I think he's like six or seven years old. He seems to be very aware of all the high jinks that Jack's getting into and like has all these knowing lines of, that where you're going to wear in hell or whatever? Like when he's trying to trick his sister.

· Aaron

It's never explained.

Yeah.

⁓ yeah, clearly a kid written by an adult who thought they were funny.

· Ade

Yeah,

by the way, this isn't my alt pic, but that kid was in Bad Words with Jason Bateman. Did you ever see that? Where Jason, I thought that kid was awesome in that.

· Aaron

Yes, I did.

That's the Spelling Bee movie, right? Yeah. Yeah, I like that. That was a good movie.

· Ade

Right.

So you laughed at the kid punching. That was just a random, I don't know. Okay, fine. Yeah. Next one on the list.

· Aaron

It was unexpected,

which made me laugh. And then when the homeless guy was at Thanksgiving dinner with them and he said, you know what? This is awkward. I'm going to go. And he just got up and left Thanksgiving dinner because it was horribly awkward. See, those are the jokes that I'm like, this is self-aware that it knows that this is. I don't know.

· Ade

I mean him leaving.

Why was, why, why did they invite a homeless guy? Thanks. I didn't, I didn't

catch that at all. I was just like, I don't know. And he was just sleeping in their backyard. Did they know him?

· Aaron

Was he played?

I don't know. He was homeless. He was just sleeping wherever he was. Was he played by the guy that was in Grandma's Boy?

· Ade

I don't remember that movie well enough to know.

· Aaron

You don't know Grandma's boy.

Let me look him up really quick.

Alan Covert? Was he in this movie?

Yeah, he was. He was the homeless guy. Auto.

· Ade

That's a...

That's a deep cut there.

· Aaron

I feel like he plays roles in a lot of Adam Sandler movies.

· Ade

I mean, I think Adam Sandler's whole shtick, especially during this era, is just people that I like and we'll just find a role. I mean, this is probably a good example of he is like, we don't have a role for, what'd you say his name is Adam? Like Alan, yeah. Hey, how about Alan just comes to Thanksgiving and.

· Aaron

Yeah.

Alan Covert.

plays a homeless guy.

· Ade

I'm like, oh, you don't even have to cut your hair out. Like, let's just write you as a homeless guy.

· Aaron

Yeah. I, my, in my notes, I put is the joke that he's homeless? Like, is that the whole. ⁓

· Ade

I mean, exactly. I'm like,

this feels borderline offensive. what are we supposed to just laugh at me? Like, this guy's homeless. Like, that's why he's funny.

· Aaron

⁓

There's a lot of borderline, if not overtly offensive jokes in this. ⁓ There's a lot of race jokes in this movie that I was uncomfortable with.

· Ade

Yeah, I mean that's.

I mean, I felt really, I mean, this is skipping way ahead, but I felt really uncomfortable with the Gardner overall. And then like, especially that picnic. I'm like, this, this is not right. This is, this is, yeah, I felt uncomfortable.

· Aaron

yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, the picnic was definitely racist. I was like, did any women or Hispanics write on this movie? Because if they didn't, this is offensive. If this is just Adam Sandler and his white buddies writing these jokes about Mexicans and Indians and women.

· Ade

I mean.

yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's,

that's my guess. It was offensive and not funny. The lethal combination.

· Aaron

It's a little offensive. Yeah.

Yeah, I didn't have any ⁓ laugh out loud moments at the picnic. I was super weirded out by the grandma character that was making terrifying faces at the camera and then died and then they brought her back by stuffing peppers in her mouth.

· Ade

Yeah.

I

Yeah, several times they revived her

by stuffing jalapenos in her mouth and they're just like, what? And then the whole like the big punchline, first of all, what 43 year old American it's never had Mexican food, but like the whole, like the big overlying. Yeah. The big overlying joke is that Jill has Mexican food and then just rushes to the bathroom. And it's like, this is the most tired hack. Like, come on.

· Aaron

You

that lives in the Bronx.

gets diarrhea.

I wrote the exact same thing that this is a tired stereotype. yeah, I didn't have any, I didn't have any laugh out loud moments from the, from that.

· Ade

Yeah, I mean, that just kind of made me mad. I don't know. like.

· Aaron

It was offensive for sure. I laughed at the homeless guy when they chased Jill into the woods because she went running out for some reason and everybody leaves and it's just Adam Sandler there and the homeless guy is in the woods and he says, hang in there brother. She's only here until Sunday.

· Ade

so.

· Aaron

I laughed at

Jill knocking herself out with the big wheel on the prices, right?

· Ade

Uh, okay. I just felt like there's, mean, that was an example of like, there's a bunch of slapsticky moments that I was just like, all right, whatever. I don't know. didn't have, okay. Before you keep, before you keep going, how many drinks did you have? No, no, no. We were together earlier that day. You, you definitely had half a bottle of wine at least.

· Aaron

Hahaha

I liked in the car, huh?

None. wait, had I did. I did have three

glasses of wine, I think, at least before I watched this. So maybe I was in the right headspace.

· Ade

Yeah. Okay. Do you think,

yeah, do you think that contributed?

· Aaron

Absolutely not. I'm a professional. ⁓ I liked when he was in the car with Jill and she kept like dropping hints that she was going to stay longer. And she said, we'll sit and talk about it on New Year's. And he just immediately launched the car into a spin. ⁓

· Ade

Okay, alright, keep going.

I didn't understand

what was happening there. like, what? Like, anyway, yeah, I've never.

· Aaron

I think this

movie might be a bit too high brow for you.

· Ade

Maybe. Yeah, I think it's I mean, I guess it's fine to admit that or I should admit at this point that I like some Adam Sandler movies, but I don't think I love his best movies in the same way that others do.

· Aaron

That's fair.

· Ade

I think my favorite, I mean, this is gonna sound really pretentious, but my favorite Adam Sandler movies is actually where he's a dramatic actor. Punch, Drunk, Love, Uncut Gems, know, stuff like that. Yeah.

· Aaron

That's so brave of you.

So brave. ⁓ Speaking of highbrow comedy, when they had Subway Jared in the movie.

· Ade

Alright, what else did you find funny?

I

was going to ask you, there are a of cameos. I was going to ask you best cameo and worst cameo.

· Aaron

I feel like Subway Jared has gotta be worst cameo.

· Ade

I mean,

that's that's gotta be worst cameo in a movie that I've seen period.

· Aaron

ever. Yeah, I was like, this is so good in the worst way possible.

· Ade

I mean, he had multiple speaking lines and I was just like, this is, this is this guy. I, I do not feel comfortable watching him on camera.

· Aaron

Yeah.

I know it was it was hard, but I loved when Jill said I missed the old Jared, the 400 pound Jared that scared us.

· Ade

I mean, you know, this is a bit of a tangent, but I would hands down read a book about the aftermath of Subway Jared and what happened in Subway marketing as that story unfolded. Like just all the chaos of how they try to like react and clean that up and all the running around and chaos.

· Aaron

Uh-huh.

Good thing you didn't want to come across as pretentious.

· Ade

Ha ha ha ha

· Aaron

I would rather sit and read a book about this.

· Ade

I mean, I did say I'd

rather. Well, yes, I would rather. I would rather read any book than watch this movie again. Oh my gosh. All right. Keep going. Okay. So worst cameo. What was the best cameo for you?

· Aaron

David Spade is the woman from their high school at the end. ⁓ Wait, I could be swayed. There were a lot of good cameos in this.

· Ade

Wrong answer.

He

I mean that wasn't even a cameo. had a part. He was he was nominated. Maybe he won one of the Razzies for best supporting actor.

· Aaron

Good for him.

I hope he showed up to accept it in person.

· Ade

I thought the best cameo was Shaq. he was wearing this weird wig, licking a ham, doing some commercial.

· Aaron

⁓

Yeah, I could see that that though it was a good one

· Ade

Yeah, that

was my favorite. And he was he haming it up. No pun intended.

· Aaron

the next part I laughed at was when there was the little mix up where Jack was cross dressing as Jill to fool Al Pacino

He goes into the restroom dressed as a man and comes out dressed as a woman. And there's a bathroom attendant who like recognizes that this is a man dressing as a woman. And so adjusted Jack's breasts before he left. And then later in the movie, he comes across the real Jill thinking that it's Jack dressed as a woman and adjusts Jill's breasts. she punches him through the bathroom door and says, I mean, come on.

· Ade

Yep. mean, did I laugh? No, but ⁓ I could tell it was a joke.

· Aaron

What?

That wasn't funny at all.

· Ade

I not to over dissect it, but the whole setup took like a minute and you could just see it a mile coming. like, this guy thinks that's Jack and he's going to touch her breasts. So yeah, by the time it happens, it's like, yep, saw that coming. And then, and then this is yet another time where they're like, Oh, Jill is super strong. And it's like, really? She doesn't, she's not that like.

· Aaron

Yeah.

Yeah.

· Ade

You know beefed up. I mean, there's a whole scene like a few minutes earlier where she's powerlifting Casually and like these really jacked and it's just like what the joke is that She's really strong because it's actually a man Adam Sandler in there But why would she be like so so much stronger than these power lifters who I don't know. I was just like Than the average man. Yeah, I don't know. I was just like, okay

· Aaron

Yeah.

Because Adam Sandler is stronger than those power lifters.

· Ade

whatever, saw the joke coming and it didn't, I don't know, the cartoonish nature of him being punched through the door. was just like, yeah.

Did you laugh during the jump rope scene?

· Aaron

Alright.

Uhhhh... No, I don't think so.

· Ade

Like they're on this cruise ship and some people are playing jump rope and I guess part of their backstory is they were professional jump ropers when they were kids and they start. And it like cuts to these stunt doubles and there's like really bad CGI of them jump roping and.

· Aaron

That's what you do in the Bronx.

⁓ I paused that

and reshowed it to John. I'm like, neither one of those people were Adam Sandler. ⁓

· Ade

Yeah, not

not even close and then all these people on the cruise ship deck are like coming over and watching and clapping and I'm just like it was supposed it seemed like it was set up like it was a big scene and It was supposed to mean something and I'm like what? What is this set piece? I don't know

· Aaron

I don't get it either, they can't all be bangers.

· Ade

on. How many are we on on your list?

· Aaron

That was seven. And then the last one that I really laughed out loud was the burn this at the end of the movie, which I felt was the perfect recap of what we just watched that no human alive should view.

· Ade

Yeah.

I mean, when

you say that, you saying about the commercial or about the movie itself?

· Aaron

both, but like I the commercial itself was horrible and I thought that they were going to leave it in as like, look at how quirky it is that we had Al Pacino do this for this movie. But then they followed it up with burn this. That's like the worst thing ever. And I was like, OK, so they know that it was really stupid. I.

· Ade

Yeah.

Yeah,

I mean, I guess I'll give you, I'll laugh in retrospect if that line was about the movie itself, because I felt like the movie was as bad as the commercial inside the movie in terms of what I just witnessed. It was.

· Aaron

Yeah, I

don't know. think that Adam Sandler knew that he wasn't making like high film.

· Ade

Of course.

I, he said that he's just like, I'm phoning this in, you know, so I can go hang out on a cruise ship and make tens of millions of dollars. But like, why do I have to, why do I have to waste my $12 ticket and, you know, an hour and a half of my life to fund Adam Sandler's vacation? That's, it's offensive.

· Aaron

Which makes it funny to me.

That's what makes it funny to me.

Well

⁓ yeah, I mean, I think I wouldn't have been happy if I paid full ticket price for this and went to see it in theaters, but renting it, 15 years later or whatever, I was like, okay, this was funny.

What'd you think of Katie Holmes' character?

· Ade

I felt like she was cast to just look pretty and stand on the sidelines and occasionally, I don't know, say a line that moved the plot along.

· Aaron

I thought that she was one of the shallowest characters I've seen in a movie in a long time.

· Ade

I didn't really understand the role of the whole family. Like the daughter didn't even really come into play much at all, but,

· Aaron

Yeah,

· Ade

I even just now had to, I was, I just got confused and I was like, wait, I remember the son and I think he had two kids, right? Like I don't even really remember the daughter, but yeah, he had a daughter. I don't, I don't remember anything that she did except that throughout the movie. I mean, one of my big questions is like, why does he hate Jill? His family constantly is saying how much they love Jill and they want her to stay.

· Aaron

Yeah.

· Ade

And Jill's really great with the kids and helping out and all that stuff. And he's just like such an asshole towards his sister. But yeah, I don't know. The family really had nothing to do other than. It just, I don't know. Yeah. Nothing to do other than stand by the side.

· Aaron

I

think he hated Jill because he moved to LA and tried to distance himself from who he was before. Like Jill said at some point in the movie, you act like your life started when you moved to LA. And so I think that he sees Jill as like his previous self.

· Ade

why did he hate his previous self? What is different about him? What is, I don't know. I mean, I'm not even gonna try to.

· Aaron

Well, he's a he's

a big shot entertainment executive now. Not just some kid from the Bronx.

· Ade

I

I refuse to more time analyzing the why of this movie than they spent writing it.

· Aaron

Yeah, that's fair.

· Ade

⁓ there are so many other like, I mean, you, you rattled through a bunch of things that I just thought were terrible and funny, but a couple, a couple of special things I'll call out 30 minutes into the movie. We get flashbacks to earlier in the movie.

· Aaron

Hahaha

Hahaha

· Ade

I'm like, did you think we're brain dead that we forgot all these moments? Yeah.

· Aaron

It was ahead of its time. They

saw the incoming attention span crisis.

· Ade

What was the climax of the movie at the bar? Jack and Jill start talking gibberish to each other and this crowd at the bar gathers around watching and tearing up. If that happened in real life, you would be like, what the hell? Like these two people are having a stroke.

· Aaron

Yeah.

So

to explain, they have a childhood language that they created for each other that only they understand, and they call each other Pokey and PagoGo. And the entire climax of this movie was them having a heartfelt moment with each other in a language that nobody understands.

· Ade

I

mean, nobody in that scene except maybe Katie Holmes's character knew that they had this childhood language. So you're not just like watching them and being like, ⁓ it's so sweet. They're using their, these are all strangers hearing gibberish and tearing up like.

· Aaron

You

You

You had to assume that you were watching them both die in front of you. This was brain death. And maybe that's why they were tearing up.

· Ade

Yeah.

that does remind me. I will give you, I don't think I, I had another internal chuckle. There is a running gag where Al Pacino speaks gibberish to his like French servant and his Italian servant, but he doesn't actually know the language. And I did think that was, that was kind of fun.

· Aaron

Yeah.

Yeah. So you're coming around on it already. This is going to become a holiday tradition for you every year is that you watch Jack and Jill with your family.

· Ade

that's a stretch.

⁓

I hope I never watch another minute of this movie again. There are so many more movies.

· Aaron

Actually, brain death might actually be a good way to describe this entire...

· Ade

⁓

I did enjoy the line delivery from Al Pacino. I can smell horny across an ocean.

· Aaron

I'm telling you, he was cooking this movie. He was eating up every scene he was in.

· Ade

I mean, he was, just, it was just the material was, yeah, I don't know. After that post-Mexican food bathroom scene, Jill immediately comes out of the bathroom without wiping or washing her hands.

· Aaron

You

Yeah.

Yeah, well, you know, they don't have time this movie is jam-packed with jokes They didn't have time to show Jill washing her hands

· Ade

I feel like hygiene is essential in all situations, especially after we have to sit through three minutes of hearing fart noises coming out of the bathroom.

· Aaron

You

Yeah, I knew you were

going to hate that scene. It was nothing but fart jokes for like five minutes and it was racist fart jokes about Mexican food.

· Ade

I mean

Yeah, if you enjoy

fart jokes and racist stereotypes, then this is the movie for you.

· Aaron

Yeah,

yeah, I didn't think you'd like that one.

I thought that Nick Swanson and Tim Meadows were funny. They played like, Jack's, what were they like, co-workers, assistants? I don't know what they were, but they were funny.

yeah, I thought there.

· Ade

I don't remember a single

thing Tim Meadows did. I mean, I like him, but I don't remember a single joke.

· Aaron

I didn't write that. I didn't write one down, but I remember thinking they were funny. I like the scene where they were out for dinner somewhere and Jill went into the coat room and Al Pacino is just lounging in there in a leather chair waiting for her.

· Ade

Yeah, I mean, he did do that.

⁓

· Aaron

⁓ yeah, I, think that, ⁓ you didn't get this one. That's okay. You can't get them all.

· Ade

I didn't, and I...

I'm trying to think of a nice way to say this, but I almost wrote down like who likes this movie. And now I have to rethink that. I really, I mean, I really hated this so much that I was like, I don't, I don't believe there's a single person on the planet that I don't even think Adam Sandler laughed at this movie. And I guess it does, you know, I don't understand it, but I

I'm grateful that you found joy in it and you left. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad it wasn't a completely worthless endeavor.

· Aaron

Yeah.

You did say that you wouldn't let me stop doing this podcast until I watched this movie. Like it was going to be some form of punishment. And I sat through it and I was like, Adé was completely wrong about this movie.

· Ade

Yeah, I mean, you said something to me and I was just like, if you, if you quit this podcast and like, I've already watched this, like there's no way, like I'm not going down like that. I'm not, I'm not going through the torture without you being there in the trenches with me. And yeah, I guess that was, yeah. well, yeah, I guess we just have different tastes in comedy.

· Aaron

Ha ha ha!

And I had a fucking great time.

Yep, that's fair.

· Ade

I

think we kind of knew that.

· Aaron

Yeah, comedy's hard. I mean, I love a good fart joke or a, you know, slap, slap, slapstick pratfall.

· Ade

Looking back, yeah.

Yeah.

· Aaron

I love

simple, stupid humor.

· Ade

And probably the movie I've laughed hardest at in the last year is Friendship, and you didn't like that at all.

· Aaron

No, I did not like friendship at all.

· Ade

I mean, we can probably agree that a bad comedy. Yeah, a bad comedy is worse than a bad drama. Like. If you just if it's just a whiff. In a comedy and you're just not laughing throughout, it's just a miserable experience.

· Aaron

I even like Tim Robinson.

⁓ yeah.

Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, if it's not your humor, it's excruciating.

· Ade

Well.

Excruciating is the right word. ⁓

· Aaron

You

picks.

· Ade

What

are your alt pics on this movie?

· Aaron

I picked Murder Mystery, the Netflix movie with Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston. I watched it on a whim, not expecting to like it, and I liked it more than I thought I would. So I guess I had very low expectations going in. ⁓ So I don't know, if you like this movie, you might like that one too.

· Ade

Yeah.

I mean, hopefully you forgive me in completely ignoring your alt pic recommendation here.

· Aaron

Ha ha.

That's fair.

· Ade

I

don't think I'll be watching that anytime soon.

Might I recommend my alt pic, Rain Over Me starring Adam Sandler? Have you seen that? his family... No, it was not a very successful movie. It didn't do very well at the box office. But yes, as I mentioned earlier, this is my favorite form of Adam Sandler where he plays a depressed...

· Aaron

Yes, everybody's seen it. We all know he can act.

· Ade

man whose family was killed in the September 11 attacks. Couldn't be more opposite in tone from Jack and Jill.

How about

· Aaron

We're all very impressed.

· Ade

Hahaha

Uh, I mean, I'm not, I'm, uh, I like some down to earth movies. I'm not, it's not like I'm recommending some like 1940s Italian, you know, cinema thing.

· Aaron

You

name one.

Ha

Yeah, that's fair.

· Ade

All right, my other alt pick was gonna be adaptation. I was just trying to think of twins.

Nicolas Cage playing twins. I that was a good movie.

· Aaron

Yeah.

· Ade

You're not taking it. All right. Fair enough. I'm just too, yeah.

· Aaron

It's okay, we've covered the high brow and the low brow. Everybody can get something out of this.

· Ade

Yeah.

Okay. Fair enough.

Wow. Anything else you have to say about Jack and Jill?

· Aaron

Nope, that's all I got.

· Ade

If you liked this movie and want to defend it, or if you hated this movie and want to give me a little bit more ammo, send us an email at theworstmoviepodcast.gmail.com. Please subscribe on Apple or Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Ade

· Aaron

I'm Aaron, thanks for listening to the Worst Movie Podcast.

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